The Gospel of John 12:20-36 (Does Jesus ask God to save him?) – Angelic Wars
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The Gospel of John 12:20-36 (Does Jesus ask God to save him?)


 

We move along to John 12:20-36 and an interesting discussion.

20 Now there were some Greeks among those who went up to worship at the festival. 21 They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. “Sir,” they said, “we would like to see Jesus.” 22 Philip went to tell Andrew; Andrew and Philip in turn told Jesus.

23 Jesus replied, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24 Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. 25 Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.

27 “Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify your name!”

Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 And I, when I am lifted u from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.

34 The crowd spoke up, “We have heard from the Law that the Messiah will remain forever, so how can you say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this ‘Son of Man’?”

35 Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going. 36 Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.

Questions for discussion:

  1. What analogy did Jesus draw from his “dying kernel of wheat?” Can you pick the moment this first happened in the Bible?
  2. Jesus said that he is troubled, but won’t ask God to save him.  How does this reconcile with “Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.'” (Matthew 26:39)
  3. Do you hear God in any way?



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Rick says May 27, 2024

Rick’s thoughts:

1. What analogy did Jesus draw from his “dying kernel of wheat?” Can you pick the moment this first happened in the Bible?

Jesus was referring to the need of him dying to spread his message through the Holy Spirit. This was confirmed when Jesus said, “4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Jesus also used this as a metaphor for his own body, the “bread of life.”

2. Jesus said that he is troubled, but won’t ask God to save him. How does this reconcile with “Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.’” (Matthew 26:39)

This is a tough question to answer, and we can only speculate as to Jesus’ frame of mind knowing what we know about him. What we know is that Jesus was both human and God at the same time. In this instance, the Scripture demonstrates his human side, though his discipline to do the Father’s Will is Godlike.

3. Do you hear God in any way?

I hear God in many ways, but only when I am living in a way God wants me to. I can hear God speaking to me even through the mouths of those who don’t believe in Him, or know that what they are saying corresponds directly to what I asked God, or was struggling with at the time. I discern if it is from God by testing it.

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